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Warrior Necromancer · Jun 08, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

For axe which is better?

thanks

What would you adivse then instead of furious and sundering?

thanks ^^

Kakumei · Jun 08, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Furious isn't that great but it's definitely better than sundering.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 08, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Zealous.

Dr Strangelove · Jun 08, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Zealous or vamp should be your only mods for fighting. If you feel like it, you can toss a sundering or a furious on a switch weapon, just make sure you never attack with that worthless piece of..er.. junk.

Hockster · Jun 08, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Shocking adds armor penetration against almost every enemy other than rangers. Many foes have specific elemental weaknesses as well.

Dr Strangelove · Jun 09, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockster

Shocking adds armor penetration against almost every enemy other than rangers. Many foes have specific elemental weaknesses as well.

Shocking does NOT add armor penetration in general. It will increase your damage vs. warrior, do nothing to most classes, and lose damage vs. elementalists and rangers. If you can afford it, using the right elemental damage mod at the right time is always the best choice, but it will cost you an awful lot of cash for 4 different weapons.

Don Zardeone · Jun 09, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Shocking adds armor penetration if you look at armour in the wrong way.

People say that warriors have a basic armour level of 100. Using a shocking weapon on them will result in the shocking having "20% armour penetration"
That's a way to "look" at it but it will get confusing for the newbs among us.

It is better to say that elemental weapons ignore the +20al vs physical armour.

But that will get confusing too because light damage, which isn't elemental, isn't physical damage either. So this too will get confusing for the newbs among us.

So the best way to say it is that there are several types of damage and only one type of armour

Warriors have 80al base
Rangers/assassins have 70 al base
Casters have 60al base

Now if a warrior only had the 80 al, then all 3-4 types of damage would do the same amount of damage. Shocking, earth, water, piercing, slashing, dark, light, chaos, blunt,... All would do the same amount of damage.

However. Many armoursets have an extra +10 to +xx armour against a certain type of damage.
All warrior sets have +10 or +20 vs physical. THat means that if you use a physical weapon, you will be hitting 80+20 = 100al
An elemental or light weapon won't do physical damage. That means that it will simply ignore the +20 vs physical. Your weapon will hit the basic al of 80.

So the better way to formulate (is that even a word?) is by saying:
Shocking will ignore the added defense vs physical damage on armours that have such an added defense.

I should get paid for this

Vermilion Okeanos · Jun 09, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Also to add... if you fight a warrior wearing the 100 armor -20 if strength is below 13, then no matter what you do... it would be the same.

My choice of damage mod.

Vampiric > elemental > furious > sundering > everything else.

Zealous will depend on my build completely.

cR4zY-n^ · Jun 09, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Sunder is also kind aawesome if you get to hit those 20% in a spike (I call it perfect spike) which is rare but sometimes valuable. :>

Yichi · Jun 09, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Sundering isnt worth it IMO. It still needs to be buffed. Look at some skills/spells like Lightning Orb. It has armor penetration built in at 25%. If this was true with the sundering mod on weapons, then it might be more useful.

For my warrior I have 4 swords. A zealous, a vampiric, an elemental, and a furious. the furious one i rarely use, but there are a few adrenal builds that i run in which i have found it useful.

So to answer your question, i guess i would have to say furious if you had to choose only between the two, otherwise id go with a zealous weapon with a vampiric weap on switch

JR · Jun 09, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

+15% all the time would make Sundering worth seriously looking at I think, as it stands; it's garbage.

GranDeWun · Jun 09, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Sundering as it is now is the equivalent of +8% damage constantly. Not really worth it.

SirShadowrunner · Jun 09, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Why do ppl love vamp mods so much ???
Sure they give you health, but there are lots
of ways to add health to yourself, I use my vamp
bow in Tombs, but I never use vamp axes or swords,
have always used zealous, sundering, and furious.

thx...
p.s. nice write-up Don Zardeone on the armor stuff.

Shield · Jun 09, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

The extra 3 damage from a vampiric sword or axe is higher than the average % bonus damage from a 20/20 sundering mod.

It's not there to gain health. It's there to hurt the other guy more.

ditka · Jun 09, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Have to agree on the Vamp option. Think of it this way
Max Sword does 15-22 damage
Add +15% damage for health over 50% (most popular mod)
That will ad an additional 2-3 pts of damage

Add a 3/1 Vamp Mod to the sword
That will add an additional 3 damage per attack (health stealing)

Customize the weapon for 20%
That adds 3-4 pts of damage

So at the end you are doing 23 - 32 total.

The sundering mods I dont think are as effective especially since they are only a 20% chance of actually working per attack. The Vamp Mod is not a percentage, when you successfully hit your target you will always do 3 more damage.

However you do have to carry multiple weapons when you are not in battle so you can switch off to avoid the health degen.

jimmy_logic · Jun 10, 2006, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Sundering isnt worth it IMO. It still needs to be buffed. Look at some skills/spells like Lightning Orb. It has armor penetration built in at 25%. If this was true with the sundering mod on weapons, then it might be more useful.

For my warrior I have 4 swords. A zealous, a vampiric, an elemental, and a furious. the furious one i rarely use, but there are a few adrenal builds that i run in which i have found it useful.

So to answer your question, i guess i would have to say furious if you had to choose only between the two, otherwise id go with a zealous weapon with a vampiric weap on switch

They can't buff sundering anymore than it is... the reason for this is then Vampiric becomes useless as sundering will become just like vampiric but without the health degen.

Zui · Jun 10, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by cR4zY-n^

Sunder is also kind aawesome if you get to hit those 20% in a spike (I call it perfect spike) which is rare but sometimes valuable. :>

To actualy match or outperform the damage from a Vampiric, your sundering is going to need to trigger at least two, if not three times in your spike. You're really understaing how rare that actualy is. Vampiric is far better for DPS and spiking almost all the time. The only exception being when your sundering triggers those 2-3 times... So unless it does that on every single spike, Vampiric is still better for spiking. If it does though, please buy me a lottery ticket, and you misewell start using Desperation/Drunken blow too, since if you're that lucky you'll probably get the deep wound every time.

Spoony · Jun 10, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Depends on what kind of warrior ur making. Imo, Jr is quite right about the sundering mods.

Jun 08, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02	#1
Warrior Necromancer Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/N	Furious or Sundering? For axe which is better? thanks What would you adivse then instead of furious and sundering? thanks ^^ Last edited by Warrior Necromancer; Jun 08, 2006 at 02:11 PM // 14:11..

Jun 08, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08	#2
Kakumei Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Grind is subjective Guild: learn this please	Furious isn't that great but it's definitely better than sundering.

Jun 08, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17	#3
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Zealous.

Jun 08, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38	#4
Dr Strangelove Furnace Stoker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wasting away again in Margaritaville Guild: [HOTR]	Zealous or vamp should be your only mods for fighting. If you feel like it, you can toss a sundering or a furious on a switch weapon, just make sure you never attack with that worthless piece of..er.. junk.

Jun 08, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18	#5
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	Shocking adds armor penetration against almost every enemy other than rangers. Many foes have specific elemental weaknesses as well.

Jun 09, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16	#7
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Shocking adds armor penetration if you look at armour in the wrong way. People say that warriors have a basic armour level of 100. Using a shocking weapon on them will result in the shocking having "20% armour penetration" That's a way to "look" at it but it will get confusing for the newbs among us. It is better to say that elemental weapons ignore the +20al vs physical armour. But that will get confusing too because light damage, which isn't elemental, isn't physical damage either. So this too will get confusing for the newbs among us. So the best way to say it is that there are several types of damage and only one type of armour Warriors have 80al base Rangers/assassins have 70 al base Casters have 60al base Now if a warrior only had the 80 al, then all 3-4 types of damage would do the same amount of damage. Shocking, earth, water, piercing, slashing, dark, light, chaos, blunt,... All would do the same amount of damage. However. Many armoursets have an extra +10 to +xx armour against a certain type of damage. All warrior sets have +10 or +20 vs physical. THat means that if you use a physical weapon, you will be hitting 80+20 = 100al An elemental or light weapon won't do physical damage. That means that it will simply ignore the +20 vs physical. Your weapon will hit the basic al of 80. So the better way to formulate (is that even a word?) is by saying: Shocking will ignore the added defense vs physical damage on armours that have such an added defense. I should get paid for this

Jun 09, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57	#8
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	Also to add... if you fight a warrior wearing the 100 armor -20 if strength is below 13, then no matter what you do... it would be the same. My choice of damage mod. Vampiric > elemental > furious > sundering > everything else. Zealous will depend on my build completely.

Jun 09, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58	#9
cR4zY-n^ Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Zadar - Croatia Guild: We Work As A [Team] Profession: Mo/E	Sunder is also kind aawesome if you get to hit those 20% in a spike (I call it perfect spike) which is rare but sometimes valuable. :>

Jun 09, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#10
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	Sundering isnt worth it IMO. It still needs to be buffed. Look at some skills/spells like Lightning Orb. It has armor penetration built in at 25%. If this was true with the sundering mod on weapons, then it might be more useful. For my warrior I have 4 swords. A zealous, a vampiric, an elemental, and a furious. the furious one i rarely use, but there are a few adrenal builds that i run in which i have found it useful. So to answer your question, i guess i would have to say furious if you had to choose only between the two, otherwise id go with a zealous weapon with a vampiric weap on switch

Jun 09, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59	#11
JR Re:tired Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/	+15% all the time would make Sundering worth seriously looking at I think, as it stands; it's garbage.

Jun 09, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07	#12
GranDeWun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	Sundering as it is now is the equivalent of +8% damage constantly. Not really worth it.

Jun 09, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00	#13
SirShadowrunner Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: at the beach Guild: Gamerzunlimited (GU) Profession: R/	Why do ppl love vamp mods so much ??? Sure they give you health, but there are lots of ways to add health to yourself, I use my vamp bow in Tombs, but I never use vamp axes or swords, have always used zealous, sundering, and furious. thx... p.s. nice write-up Don Zardeone on the armor stuff.

Jun 09, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#14
Shield Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wisconsin	The extra 3 damage from a vampiric sword or axe is higher than the average % bonus damage from a 20/20 sundering mod. It's not there to gain health. It's there to hurt the other guy more.

Jun 09, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36	#15
ditka Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	Have to agree on the Vamp option. Think of it this way Max Sword does 15-22 damage Add +15% damage for health over 50% (most popular mod) That will ad an additional 2-3 pts of damage Add a 3/1 Vamp Mod to the sword That will add an additional 3 damage per attack (health stealing) Customize the weapon for 20% That adds 3-4 pts of damage So at the end you are doing 23 - 32 total. The sundering mods I dont think are as effective especially since they are only a 20% chance of actually working per attack. The Vamp Mod is not a percentage, when you successfully hit your target you will always do 3 more damage. However you do have to carry multiple weapons when you are not in battle so you can switch off to avoid the health degen.

Jun 10, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04	#18
Spoony Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Just chillin', Playing Gw Guild: Rurik Is A Suicidal Maniac [ftw] - Recruiting people for HA	Depends on what kind of warrior ur making. Imo, Jr is quite right about the sundering mods.